Comments on: Lenexa Baptist Church, Lenexa KS – Seekers need not apply http://healyourchurchwebsite.com/2005/04/19/lenexa-baptist-church-lenexa-ks-seekers-need-not-apply/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=lenexa-baptist-church-lenexa-ks-seekers-need-not-apply Teaching, rebuking, correcting & training in righteous web design. Mon, 26 Sep 2011 02:56:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Jeff Lasik http://healyourchurchwebsite.com/2005/04/19/lenexa-baptist-church-lenexa-ks-seekers-need-not-apply/comment-page-1/#comment-2547 Jeff Lasik Fri, 08 Jul 2005 21:02:17 +0000 http://healyourchurchwebsite.com/2005/04/19/lenexa-baptist-church-lenexa-ks-seekers-need-not-apply#comment-2547 Simply put, Lenexa Baptist is NOT offering 'a suitable flash alternative Simply put, Lenexa Baptist is NOT offering ‘a suitable flash alternative

]]> By: Andy http://healyourchurchwebsite.com/2005/04/19/lenexa-baptist-church-lenexa-ks-seekers-need-not-apply/comment-page-1/#comment-2546 Andy Wed, 25 May 2005 15:54:30 +0000 http://healyourchurchwebsite.com/2005/04/19/lenexa-baptist-church-lenexa-ks-seekers-need-not-apply#comment-2546 Unfortunately I'd have to disagree with your comments (or they've changed the website since you posted your comments). If you search on google for their website, from your provided link, at the top is a link to the church on googles mapping page. Clicking this then takes you to a new results page with their website as the first hit (instead of this page!) Clicking on the link takes you to <a href="http://www.lenexabaptist.org/" rel="nofollow">www.lenexabaptist.org</a> and by using the navigation links at the bottom of the page you can find all about the church - so they do provide non-flash based information. Having said that I can't stand sites that use flash for their content. A "designer" company created a website for my old company and it lasted 30 minutes as a live website before it got pulled due to howls of protest from users and internal users who couldn't work as they had to wait for everything to load (typical that the boss got showed a flashy interface which looked good but was useless to use over the internet but on an internal lan demonstration it wasn't too bad.) Unfortunately I’d have to disagree with your comments (or they’ve changed the website since you posted your comments).
If you search on google for their website, from your provided link, at the top is a link to the church on googles mapping page. Clicking this then takes you to a new results page with their website as the first hit (instead of this page!)
Clicking on the link takes you to http://www.lenexabaptist.org and by using the navigation links at the bottom of the page you can find all about the church – so they do provide non-flash based information.

Having said that I can’t stand sites that use flash for their content. A “designer” company created a website for my old company and it lasted 30 minutes as a live website before it got pulled due to howls of protest from users and internal users who couldn’t work as they had to wait for everything to load (typical that the boss got showed a flashy interface which looked good but was useless to use over the internet but on an internal lan demonstration it wasn’t too bad.)

]]> By: Heather http://healyourchurchwebsite.com/2005/04/19/lenexa-baptist-church-lenexa-ks-seekers-need-not-apply/comment-page-1/#comment-2545 Heather Mon, 16 May 2005 10:35:10 +0000 http://healyourchurchwebsite.com/2005/04/19/lenexa-baptist-church-lenexa-ks-seekers-need-not-apply#comment-2545 "The so-called religious organizations which now lead the war against the teaching of evolution are nothing more, at bottom, than conspiracies of the inferior man against his betters." -- H. L. Mencken, "Homo Neanderthalensis" (commentary on the <a href="http://sonata.denmark.com" rel="nofollow">Sonata</a> trial), The Baltimore Evening Sun, June 29, 1955 “The so-called religious organizations which now lead the war against the teaching of evolution are nothing more, at bottom, than conspiracies of the inferior man against his betters.”

– H. L. Mencken, “Homo Neanderthalensis” (commentary on the Sonata trial), The Baltimore Evening Sun, June 29, 1955

]]> By: Jeff Wilkinson http://healyourchurchwebsite.com/2005/04/19/lenexa-baptist-church-lenexa-ks-seekers-need-not-apply/comment-page-1/#comment-2544 Jeff Wilkinson Thu, 05 May 2005 22:36:23 +0000 http://healyourchurchwebsite.com/2005/04/19/lenexa-baptist-church-lenexa-ks-seekers-need-not-apply#comment-2544 You said: "Simply put, Lenexa Baptist is NOT offering 'a suitable flash alternative,'" So, if we have to double or triple our work whenever we use Flash for a site in making alternate non-Flash content and nav and debugging the more-complex HTML + Flash site, then why the heck should we use Flash at all? IMO, Flash may do some neat looking stuff, but I don't see a lot of reason to go through all the extra work just for that, particularly considering the hassles with accessibility and reduced search engine indexing. Frankly I've just never seen the appeal of Flash. (guess that's pretty obvious from this post ;-) You said: “Simply put, Lenexa Baptist is NOT offering ‘a suitable flash alternative,’”

So, if we have to double or triple our work whenever we use Flash for a site in making alternate non-Flash content and nav and debugging the more-complex HTML + Flash site, then why the heck should we use Flash at all?

IMO, Flash may do some neat looking stuff, but I don’t see a lot of reason to go through all the extra work just for that, particularly considering the hassles with accessibility and reduced search engine indexing.

Frankly I’ve just never seen the appeal of Flash.
(guess that’s pretty obvious from this post ;-)

]]> By: Perry http://healyourchurchwebsite.com/2005/04/19/lenexa-baptist-church-lenexa-ks-seekers-need-not-apply/comment-page-1/#comment-2543 Perry Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:22:26 +0000 http://healyourchurchwebsite.com/2005/04/19/lenexa-baptist-church-lenexa-ks-seekers-need-not-apply#comment-2543 Supposition: Church website are volunteer'd. Result: There may not be the luxury of having alternative content. Do you pick the safe text version? Or do you try to be relevent and use some Flash and graphics? Supposition: Church website are volunteer’d.
Result: There may not be the luxury of having alternative content. Do you pick the safe text version? Or do you try to be relevent and use some Flash and graphics?

]]> By: cryptblade http://healyourchurchwebsite.com/2005/04/19/lenexa-baptist-church-lenexa-ks-seekers-need-not-apply/comment-page-1/#comment-2542 cryptblade Tue, 19 Apr 2005 04:53:27 +0000 http://healyourchurchwebsite.com/2005/04/19/lenexa-baptist-church-lenexa-ks-seekers-need-not-apply#comment-2542 Man oh man... if they outsourced the web-design I hope they fired the company. I would imagine the church paid some pretty money to have the site designed - and got taken for a ride. I can't say I'm jumping to conclusions because people take clients for a ride in SEO as well. Sometimes on purpose, sometimes out of ignorance. But the first rule of Flash is always have a alt-version! I can't say that it's absolutely necessary for a church to be SE-friendly, but definitely useable. Flash is clumsy. I have a broadband connection and it can STILL take time for Flash to load! I can't stand it as a user, designer, and as a marketer. I admit it looks cool though. Man oh man… if they outsourced the web-design I hope they fired the company. I would imagine the church paid some pretty money to have the site designed – and got taken for a ride. I can’t say I’m jumping to conclusions because people take clients for a ride in SEO as well. Sometimes on purpose, sometimes out of ignorance.

But the first rule of Flash is always have a alt-version! I can’t say that it’s absolutely necessary for a church to be SE-friendly, but definitely useable. Flash is clumsy. I have a broadband connection and it can STILL take time for Flash to load! I can’t stand it as a user, designer, and as a marketer. I admit it looks cool though.

]]> By: Doug http://healyourchurchwebsite.com/2005/04/19/lenexa-baptist-church-lenexa-ks-seekers-need-not-apply/comment-page-1/#comment-2541 Doug Mon, 18 Apr 2005 17:07:12 +0000 http://healyourchurchwebsite.com/2005/04/19/lenexa-baptist-church-lenexa-ks-seekers-need-not-apply#comment-2541 http://www.lenexabaptist.org/index.aspx This would be a much better home page, with the flash presentation saved as something a visitor could click over to. Most flash sites make you click for the HTML version, but I feel that this is a backward idea. HTML should be primary, and flash users should be required to click over to that flashier display. http://www.lenexabaptist.org/index.aspx
This would be a much better home page, with the flash presentation saved as something a visitor could click over to. Most flash sites make you click for the HTML version, but I feel that this is a backward idea. HTML should be primary, and flash users should be required to click over to that flashier display.

]]> By: Doug http://healyourchurchwebsite.com/2005/04/19/lenexa-baptist-church-lenexa-ks-seekers-need-not-apply/comment-page-1/#comment-2540 Doug Mon, 18 Apr 2005 17:02:27 +0000 http://healyourchurchwebsite.com/2005/04/19/lenexa-baptist-church-lenexa-ks-seekers-need-not-apply#comment-2540 http://www.lenexabaptist.org/index.aspx This would be a much better home page, with the flash presentation saved as something a visitor could click over to. Most flash sites make you click for the HTML version, but I feel that this is a backward idea. HTML should be primary, and flash users should be required to click over to that flashier display. http://www.lenexabaptist.org/index.aspx
This would be a much better home page, with the flash presentation saved as something a visitor could click over to. Most flash sites make you click for the HTML version, but I feel that this is a backward idea. HTML should be primary, and flash users should be required to click over to that flashier display.

]]> By: Jeremy http://healyourchurchwebsite.com/2005/04/19/lenexa-baptist-church-lenexa-ks-seekers-need-not-apply/comment-page-1/#comment-2539 Jeremy Mon, 18 Apr 2005 16:37:48 +0000 http://healyourchurchwebsite.com/2005/04/19/lenexa-baptist-church-lenexa-ks-seekers-need-not-apply#comment-2539 Good call on the flash. Always make it an option, not a requirement. Hey Dean, thou shall not HTML-escape the contents of one's posts, thus making them not validate properly when clicking the 'Preview' button! Jeremy (who works right down the street from this church) http://www.opcofc.org http://www.covenantchorale.org Good call on the flash. Always make it an option, not a requirement.

Hey Dean, thou shall not HTML-escape the contents of one’s posts, thus making them not validate properly when clicking the ‘Preview’ button!

Jeremy (who works right down the street from this church)

http://www.opcofc.org
http://www.covenantchorale.org

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